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Post by davedale on Oct 13, 2018 17:55:14 GMT
For a 1964 Riley 1.5: I wonder if anyone can help me find a source for a new or reconditioned steering rack. I also need a pair of matched kingpin and trunnion sets. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.
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Post by 2robert4 on Oct 13, 2018 20:13:27 GMT
Hi
If you are a member of the Riley Motor Club then they are a good source for spares however if they do not have what you are looking for why not try ebay etc and I have an idea that the rack is the same as the moggy minor one?? As your vehicle is a 64 Mk3 it has two dampers built into its construction so avoid the earlier rack as they can knock quite badly.I am sure the will be others who can help more on this subject?
Regards
NP
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Post by davedale on Oct 15, 2018 18:17:23 GMT
Hi If you are a member of the Riley Motor Club then they are a good source for spares however if they do not have what you are looking for why not try ebay etc and I have an idea that the rack is the same as the moggy minor one?? As your vehicle is a 64 Mk3 it has two dampers built into its construction so avoid the earlier rack as they can knock quite badly.I am sure the will be others who can help more on this subject? Regards NP Thanks for the advice. I shall investigate the MM one or I might just have my one reconditioned. |
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Post by casper171072 on Oct 20, 2018 21:51:56 GMT
When you say they knock quite badly is that over bumps etc, I gave that knock and assumed it was a fault if done sort to rectify. Are the later racks a straight swap to improve the knocking
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Post by 2robert4 on Oct 21, 2018 9:26:11 GMT
The old style rack has only one spring loaded damper fitted so over severe bumps it will knock through the column the later rack is almost indistinguishable it has a spring loaded damper at either end which pretty much cures the problem I will need to look at the change point in my parts book to give you the chassis change and part number. The modded rack will fit all models and was I think the only part available after all stocks of the early one were used up. My best guess now is the modern reproduction for the MM will have the latest mod standard anyway.
Hope this helps?
NP
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Post by davedale on Oct 21, 2018 23:31:20 GMT
The old style rack has only one spring loaded damper fitted so over severe bumps it will knock through the column the later rack is almost indistinguishable it has a spring loaded damper at either end which pretty much cures the problem I will need to look at the change point in my parts book to give you the chassis change and part number. The modded rack will fit all models and was I think the only part available after all stocks of the early one were used up. My best guess now is the modern reproduction for the MM will have the latest mod standard anyway. Hope this helps? NP Thanks again. I now know what to look for when sourcing a new rack. |
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Post by casper171072 on Nov 2, 2018 12:57:56 GMT
So is the late model one the same as a Morris Minor? as I assume they are readily available
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Post by 2robert4 on Nov 2, 2018 20:21:27 GMT
It is only my assumption that the two racks are the same irrespective of the mod standard as all the racks I have are Riley ones for overhaul and can't give a definitive answer at this time but I should be in a position too next week when I meet up with a friend who has a new MM rack to compare I will let the forum know then if no one else can help with this matter in the meantime.
Regards
NP
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Post by cooper on Nov 3, 2018 18:10:42 GMT
The steering rack fitted to a Morris 1000 has clamps to secure it to the car, The Riley 1.5 has lugs welded to the rack tube the lugs have threads for the securing bolts, so the Morris 1000 rack is not a direct replacement for a Riley 1.5.
regards David
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Post by canuck on Nov 6, 2018 0:23:49 GMT
The old style rack has only one spring loaded damper fitted so over severe bumps it will knock through the column the later rack is almost indistinguishable it has a spring loaded damper at either end which pretty much cures the problem I will need to look at the change point in my parts book to give you the chassis change and part number. The modded rack will fit all models and was I think the only part available after all stocks of the early one were used up. My best guess now is the modern reproduction for the MM will have the latest mod standard anyway. Hope this helps? NP This 'knock' you write of, is it curable? I have this really annoying 'click' sound when I hit small bumps etc. I thought it the steering shaft bushes so I replaced both upper and lower felt bushes. What a bear of a job that was. No joy the click remains. I then renewed the suspension bushes all round, still no joy the 'click' remains. If curable what is the approach I should take? Rack out and rebuild? Simply tighten something? Use grease on the rack in place of of HP oil? Getting a replacement this side of the pond is going to be tough. It is winter over here so I have time and inclination. Back to you Bruce |
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Post by 2robert4 on Nov 6, 2018 9:23:21 GMT
The click you refer to can be eliminated at overhaul, in general most steering racks are repaired by renewing the racks worn support bushes if fitted or by rebushing the alloy housing if it has worn oval and by adjusting the spring loaded damper plugs by the removal of a shim of two under the plugs head and indeed by replacing the damper itself if it has worn excessively plus replacing any worn bearings at the pinion etc. Adjustment increases the damping on the rack itself and keeps it in contact with the pinion, I can remember reading an article some years ago on how to check the racks preload with a spring balance to gauge the correct setting otherwise it would have to be done by trial and error. This information is a generic guide there may be some nuances and as the rack is a little tricky to remove and refit you only really want to do it once.
I will try and get some info on this and see if spares can be obtained from any specialists who still do this work if at all possible.
NP
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Post by canuck on Nov 6, 2018 14:24:33 GMT
The click you refer to can be eliminated at overhaul, in general most steering racks are repaired by renewing the racks worn support bushes if fitted or by rebushing the alloy housing if it has worn oval and by adjusting the spring loaded damper plugs by the removal of a shim of two under the plugs head and indeed by replacing the damper itself if it has worn excessively plus replacing any worn bearings at the pinion etc. Adjustment increases the damping on the rack itself and keeps it in contact with the pinion, I can remember reading an article some years ago on how to check the racks preload with a spring balance to gauge the correct setting otherwise it would have to be done by trial and error. This information is a generic guide there may be some nuances and as the rack is a little tricky to remove and refit you only really want to do it once. I will try and get some info on this and see if spares can be obtained from any specialists who still do this work if at all possible. NP I appreciate this feedback. This 'improved damper' is as described below, yes?  I perused the ESM spares site and there is LHD pinions etc. listed so it would appear there is hope for me.  Of course until I have this off of the car and disassembled I do not know what I have to deal with. The workshop manual seems to detail the procedure adequately. I plan to have the power unit out of the car this winter for a 1800 transplant. Access to the steering rack, (removal etc.) will be greatly improved.  TIA Bruce |
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Post by tjt77 on Nov 26, 2018 2:10:16 GMT
knocks and clatters on the front end are often hard to find source of :- one of the most common issues is loose shock absorber bolts.. steering rack noise :- its generally the inner gubbins on the tie rods ,where they attach to actual rack itself.. this is relatively easy to fix by removing a couple of shims.. furthermore you can take some metal off the threaded 'cup' on a belt sander, so it will remove the slack,. as for rack parts :- whilst the casing is different to morris minor..I believe the internals are same ...the morris minor rack interchanges with the rack form an OPPOSITE side sterring rack for an MG midget /AH sprite.. Ie:- LHD sprite rack, same as RHD minor rack..coomonly, both the bump stop rubbers and bump return rubbbers are either missing (they de laminate form attatching plate and fall off) or damaged.. so be sure to check those too.. the bump stops are not quite the same as those for Morris minor.. but they can be adapted to fit.. my memory fails as regards the return stops.. I think they are same as MM..
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Post by 59traveller on Jan 6, 2019 18:04:02 GMT
Hi If you are a member of the Riley Motor Club then they are a good source for spares however if they do not have what you are looking for why not try ebay etc and I have an idea that the rack is the same as the moggy minor one?? As your vehicle is a 64 Mk3 it has two dampers built into its construction so avoid the earlier rack as they can knock quite badly.I am sure the will be others who can help more on this subject? Regards NP I have found my series iv Morris Oxford traveller (and therefore the series iii saloon) has many common parts so would it be worth investigating this? I got a pair of reconditioned trunnions, king/swivel pins from my club (the Morris Oxford part of the Wolseley 6/80 club) so they are about, but I'd say getting the rack and trunnions reconditioned is the way to go and for that I'd definitely look to the Riley club for advice! |
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Post by casper171072 on Feb 18, 2019 21:05:59 GMT
How can you tell the difference between an early rack ad one with the secondary damper so I can look out for one
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Of course until I have this off of the car and disassembled I do not know what I have to deal with. 
