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Post by jA40 on May 16, 2021 19:59:52 GMT
Good Evening All,
Of the many 'nadgery' little bits that I've had to fabricate in the restoration of my 1.5 - there is just one bit that is alluding me.........
Inner rear wheel arch. There was still enough perforated iron deposit in existence on the lower section of the wheel arch, to be able to make a pattern & therefore reconstruct the outer lip.
However, at the very top of the arch, there is 'zilcho' remaining on either side. I am therefore calling on any kind person(s) to post a photo (or 2) of this area in order for me to 'piece' something together & complete the task.
To clarify, with rear door open, the very top of the inner wheel arch adjacent to rear wing & just below the door latch.
Much appreciation conveyed in anticipation.
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Post by tonyhosk on May 16, 2021 21:41:35 GMT
Hi I have the same problem with the rear wheel arches, but the lower bits (or lack of them) only. I've just taken a few shots of the RH side - are these the views you need? Tony
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Post by jA40 on May 17, 2021 8:27:19 GMT
Hi Tony,
Many thanks for posting your photos. Mine is quite OK in the images captured. It is the outer section of the wheel arch that is the problem, the 'bit' that the rear door shuts to. Just below the door latch & interface with the rear wing. If I were at all 'techno' taking a 'shot' of the offending item would be ideal. The task of welding is relatively simple by comparison!
Regards, Jeff
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Post by tonyhosk on May 17, 2021 13:06:06 GMT
Hi Jeff Are these any more use to you? If not, let me know. You can see where I had some rot on the RH close to the wheel arch lip where the base ion the C post meets the outer part of the wheel arch - had to cut back, weld in a piece and then roughly reshaped with filler. On the left side the return lip to the front of the wheel arch has rusted through, so I'm getting a new repair front outer rear wheel arch panel from Radfords through the Club - 4 monthly lead time though! Tony
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Post by canuck on May 17, 2021 15:37:45 GMT
Tony or Jeff This is a great discussion as I prepare to delve into this repair on 'George'. At risk of going off topic can either of you comment on the joint at the bottom of the wheel arch where the sill piece turns up? This is welded, yes? How would one break this join? Leave it alone? I have full length factory sills and I am curious, do I cut this off or do 'serious' surgery into this area?. I guess the same query will apply to the front joint at the door post? Thanks in advance Bruce
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Post by jA40 on May 17, 2021 19:30:05 GMT
Hi Tony,
Those photos are Brilliant! Many thanks - just what I wanted. The interface IS how I imagined - just required the evidence! Sorry about the misleading text in the original post (inner/outer) I opted for 'inner' as it's inside the rear door. Doh!
It would appear that both your OUTER arches are in fine fettle. Do you really require a new section?
Further to my personal dilemma - I have taken a photo of the 'nasty bit' - just need to figure out how to convey it on here.
Today I has been mostly welding! (Apologies to the Fast Show)
Regards, Jeff
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Post by jA40 on May 17, 2021 19:46:05 GMT
Hi Bruce,
An easy question would have been appreciated!
The arrow in your photo points to the 'second' skin (re-inforcement) part of the lower wheel arch.
It all depends on your own fabrication skills/experience. If you are familiar with the Fanastic 1mm cutting discs it would be quite easy to 'slice' through the arch at this point. OR - the second skin (I suspect) could be 'spot welded' to the parent panel. In that case, if you can identify where the spot welds are, just grind them away to enable the removal of the second layer.
If you are not too happy doing this sort of thing - maybe best avoided. It all depends on the extent of your 'tinbashing' skills.
Best wishes, Jeff
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Post by tonyhosk on May 17, 2021 20:05:29 GMT
Hi Jeff glad they are the right ones. The reason I'm going for a repair panel on the left rear outer is in the photo below. I won't need all the repair panel - the higher bits are fine, but the wheel arch return in the lower half is beyond repair I think. It will also extend to the correct point at the bottom of the arch, so I can weld my outer skin panel to it. To get photos on - in the Reply, go to 'Add Attachment', then click where it says '+ Add File', go to your photos and the correct folder where your photo lurks. Scroll down to that photo and click on it, then press 'Choose'. A widow appears showing your photo file loading, then just press 'Insert'. Tony
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Post by tonyhosk on May 17, 2021 20:08:21 GMT
Hi again
Should have said outer skin sill panel.
Tony
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Post by jA40 on May 17, 2021 20:34:41 GMT
Hi again Tony,
I've just had a second look at your photos with a magnifying glass. Your inner (sorry outer) arches must be the envy of every other 1.5 owner. As good as new, surely? I've spotted the minor repair on the offside with a skim of filler being evident. I'm wishing now, that had been my worst problem!
For the missing 'lip' on the nearside - I would lay a sheet of card against it & trace the profile with a pencil. Transfer this onto a sheet of steel & parallel the profile to give the depth of the lip. Good quality tin shears essential!
As for attaching it.........tack weld at one end & 'manipulate' it along the curve, tacking as you go. Should the joint require grinding back afterwards (which your's will) the method I use is the moderate power, good quality pigeon s**t setting. Spot after spot after spot. Plenty of penetration (really?) to leave enough metal to grind back to the profile reqd. Should access not be an issue, I also 'spot' the inside of the joint, for additional integrity.
A rare colour white (innit?) Look forward to seeing it soon.......
Cheers, Jeff
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Post by tonyhosk on May 17, 2021 20:36:12 GMT
Hi Bruce It's a conundrum, isn't it. When I started the resto (my first body restoration!), I realised the inner sills were completely shot from the B posts forwards and the middle sill strengheners lower halves had predictably dissolved. I was going to replace all the rotten outer sills, until I realised that the upper portions were completely sound. I therefore decided to keep the upper portions which also meant that I preserved the structural integrity of the body shell - much easier and more reliable. I made up the inner sills etc, but got outer sill repair panels from Radfords via the club and then cut away the old outer sills to the point where the replacements will fit - see photos. If your outer sill upper portions and the extensions at the front where they are spot-welded to the A post are sound, I personally would cut away just the lower half of the old sills and the extensions on the replacements, cut the replacements to fit. At the rear you c ould do the same, but if your rear outer wheel arch front portion is like mine in the last photo to Jeff, I'd be inclined to remove the spot welds holding the rear extension of the old sill to the wheel arch and keep the full rear part of your new sill. If your wheel arch lower portion is ok, then you can finish and weld to that. If it is buggered like mine, then at least you have one sound healthy new bit to work around and use as your datum point. Once my rear outer front portion repair panel arrives in a couple of months, I will be doing exactly that, so will photo the process, warts and all, if that is any help. I won't fit the outer sill repair panels until the very end of the bodywork and when I can offer up the doors to get the gapping right. What fun! Tony
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Post by tomsayles on May 17, 2021 21:37:21 GMT
Dear Tony,
I did all that, but the photos would not attach as they were too big for the file - I just don't know how to reduce the size of them
I cheated with the rear arch sections - just cut out the relevant parts from my 'spares' car and welded them in. I got the 'join' in place using masking tape and filler ! Build up the masking tape to the correct dimension for the 'joint line', then fill to the higher section. Once dry, rub flat and when happy, remove masking tape and voila - a good 'join'. I don't like using too much filler in such situations, but saves a lot of welding and measuring !!
Tom
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Post by canuck on May 17, 2021 23:52:34 GMT
I realised the inner sills were completely shot from the B posts forwards and the middle sill strengheners lower halves had predictably dissolved. I was going to replace all the rotten outer sills, until I realised that the upper portions were completely sound. I therefore decided to keep the upper portions which also meant that I preserved the structural integrity of the body shell - much easier and more reliable. You chaps are golden. These photos and your experiences are helping me understand what I may encounter Tony, my car is pretty much a carbon copy of your car. Yes the upper sills are quite integral at the ends however I write that without attacking the car with a cutting wheel yet. I believe your suggestion is my course of action. The 'holey' inner vertical membrane shown in your photos is your DIY? or a Radford panel? Bruce
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Post by tonyhosk on May 18, 2021 12:11:44 GMT
Hi Bruce No I didn't make the 'mid sill holey panels'. There is a firm in the UK owned by David Kingerley that still makes some replacement panels for the Riley 1.5, including the mid sill panels. His fabricator also made replacement full chassis rails for me - see photos before and after. The holey sill panels are £50 each and the website address is http://www.longbridgemotorsales.co.uk. Last time I spoke with David, he wasn't sure how much longer his fabricator would keep going, so if you were interested, better sooner than later. The sill panels were couriered to me and very well protected, so international shouldn't be a problem - just costs! tony
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Post by jA40 on May 18, 2021 21:22:27 GMT
Interesting photos Tony. Your project looks like it was as bad as mine was, - 'gone' in all the same places. It's encouraging to find that there's someone as daft to take on the workload. I acquired my part-finished front half chassis rails from the same source, along with inner wing rails. Repaired the rear halves. I'm feeling somewhat envious seeing the shell on a 'spit' to make live easier! I do have a couple of 'A' frames that I made BUT there is another completely different body shell suspended there at the moment, meaning that it's all been upsidedown work from the floor! Lodsa joy.....
Jeff
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