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Post by noddy on Jul 21, 2016 16:58:11 GMT
Hi,
Does any one know if the rear springs off a Morris minor (traveller) are the same as those on a 1.5?
If they are, it would make replacing them much cheaper!!
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Post by 2robert4 on Jul 22, 2016 8:30:52 GMT
I have not done this myself but have been told on several occasions not to worry if rear springs are required as the uprated springs for the Traveller have the same amount of leaves (7) and the same spring rate.
NP
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Post by canuck on Jul 22, 2016 16:12:11 GMT
Roger, Yes I believe the MM Traveller spring assemblies are the same rate, Van & Pick Up spring assemblies are stiffer. I know it impolite to answer a question with another (s), but I was not brought up 'proper like', so here goes.
Are your existing springs knackered? rusted to a solid block? too weak spring rate?
Why do I ask? Well if the current spring assemblies are in decent order, and only suffer being ugly then a rebuild may be in order? Easy to do and refreshing all the associated bits is good therapy.  Oh and saves a pile of money at the same time. 
As you all know Riley bits are not plentiful over here and MM bits are dear in cost. When I first got George, after +25 years storage his rear end, sorry vicar, was rusted solid, had broken/worn shackle plates, perished bushes etc. So I undertook a rebuild.
I separated the rusted to a block spring leafs after much penetrating oil & banging, my springs are OE with Riley one-point-five specific 21G part number, 
wire brush in a drill motor cleaned & painted each leaf. 
Then re assembled them with a tweak. The OE neoprene buffers were toast so I took a page out of the off-road 4x4 leaf spring book and turned up some delrin, (slippery like Teflon but more resistant) leaf tips. 
Inserted these into the neoprene button holes and reassembled everything. 
this transformed the rear end to a functional and correct height ride. Roger I know that you drive your old girl a lot so you may not wish to take her off the road for a week to do this sort of thing. Of course I have snowy/cold/winter for projects like this.
I have said this often, I wish I had readily easy access to all the good spares you chaps do over there.
B |
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Post by noddy on Jul 23, 2016 8:53:27 GMT
Thanks for the replies chaps, As I hoped, it appears that Traveller springs should be a direct replacement! Cost saving is great - Earlpart charge £144.00 per 1.5 spring while ESM (moggy experts) charge £29.95 per Traveller spring!
Bruce - the main route for wanting to change the springs is simple - the car has developed a bit of a 'batchelors' lean and I want to get it level. I like your idea of rebuilding the springs - much more satisfying, but I am not sure that it will cure the cars noticeable lean.
Cheers, Roger |
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Post by canuck on Jul 23, 2016 11:26:44 GMT
Roger Yes Earlpart is quite dear compared to others. Even if the 'quality' is different, at the price delta you can replace the springs countless times and still have beer money left over.
Take a look at the torsion bar settings in the front, this can have an influence of weight transfer between corners. The workshop manual provides some measurements we can use a guide.
There is quite a few 'might as wells' while you are under there, be patient but more importantly be careful. 
B
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Post by boriswrc on Jul 31, 2016 19:56:22 GMT
When I replaced mine on the wolseley used for rallying, I suede MM traveller springs, they fitted no problem.
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Post by trymes on Aug 21, 2016 21:52:07 GMT
Bruce: Got a lead on those Delron spacers? I was under the car last weekend and I need to replace the shackle bushings, so I should probably do as you did and separate, repaint, and reassemble.
Tom
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Post by canuck on Aug 25, 2016 15:25:25 GMT
Bruce: Got a lead on those Delron spacers? I was under the car last weekend and I need to replace the shackle bushings, so I should probably do as you did and separate, repaint, and reassemble. Tom Hi Tom, I turned these spacers myself out of a length of round bar, custom like. A car club member has a lathe that he lets us play with. I can do some more for you, not a problem but you will need to wait. When I get home, next week hopefully, I will rummage about to be sure I still have a length of bar and we will talk about this at Stowe. B |
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Post by trymes on Aug 25, 2016 15:31:58 GMT
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Post by canuck on Aug 25, 2016 15:52:08 GMT
Good find Tom, These spacers are not a new idea and the 4x4 off road guys go nuts with these spring tips. If the diameter of the stud on those Amazon offering fits the holes in the leaf you are set to go.  Let me make this clear, I only used these Delrin spacers because the OE neoprene spacers had all but disappeared from my spring assemblies. If your neoprene ones are sound re use them. B |
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