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Post by jonnyb on Mar 22, 2023 15:53:00 GMT
I am considering going for wider wheels than the standard 3J. Options seem to be: 4.5J steel Minor van wheels which I think will bolt on with no clearance issues?? Or John Brown do a 5.5J Minilite lookalike. If anyone has gone down either of these routes I would be glad to hear your experiences. Thanks, Jonathan
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kiwimc
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Post by kiwimc on Mar 23, 2023 9:45:42 GMT
4.5J Minor rims are the business.
The front ones in this shot are wearing 165 Vredestein Sprint Classics (rated to 130 MPH  ). I havn't had any issues with fouling the suspension.
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Post by canuck on Mar 25, 2023 13:01:46 GMT
Hello Johnny Yes the wider wheel is a necessary fitment if needing proper size tires. Mounting 155 section. or heaven forbid 165 section tires on the factory 3" wide wheel is for those with suicidal tendency.  I bought ESM offering of their aftermarket 4.5" wide wheels. A good wheel, fits properly, and required minimal balance weights. Caveat they arrive in off white, ivory sort of colour. I sanded and painted them silver.  These wheels have the safety bead design so enthusiastic driving is welcomed.  Both the rimbellishers and the hubcap fit without issue  Pay attention maybe? On one side of my car the rubber boot of the tie rod end just rubs on the inner tire wall and has worn through. This is with 155 section tire. I have since fitted with a more suitable tie rod end with smaller diameter head and size boot. FWIW I am in process of installing a different wheel, the MGB period steel wheel as I prefer the look. In order to do this, and the PCD is different so I am in midst of a bit of engineering, Bruce |
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Post by jonnyb on Mar 25, 2023 16:25:49 GMT
Thank you both for replies and pics. Let us know how you get on with MGB wheels Bruce.
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Post by canuck on Mar 26, 2023 12:54:00 GMT
John The wheels on offer by John Brown do look rather nice. The only advice I can offer is if you do choose this route, ensure you get the correct offset to avoid rubbing. I have seen Morris Minor fitted with this type wheel and they look very good indeed.  so these must be available for the Riley. Below is the look I am going for; all be it my car is beat up Black colour so the effect may change  Photo stolen from the WWW B |
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Post by tonyhosk on Mar 26, 2023 21:07:08 GMT
Nice!
Tony
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Post by jonnyb on Sept 20, 2023 16:12:42 GMT
4.5J Minor rims are the business.
The front ones in this shot are wearing 165 Vredestein Sprint Classics (rated to 130 MPH ). I havn't had any issues with fouling the suspension.
I gather from another thread that your Vredestein tyres are 165/80R14. Is that correct? I am looking at some Falken 165/80R14 but wondered about any issues of rubbing on track rod ends or perhaps elsewhere at full lock due to the larger diameter of the 165/80 profile. My current 165/70 tyres give no problems but they are on 3" rims which I am not happy about; also 7yrs old. |
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Post by vue from the north on Sept 20, 2023 21:42:59 GMT
i can recomend the minators that my lowly 1.5 runs on they are about £80 / corner from morris minor spares however i have to run with wheel spacers & longer wheel bolts
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Post by jonnyb on Oct 11, 2023 17:52:35 GMT
Well this has been a bit of a saga and maybe some of you may think "we told you so" However, I will recount the story for anyone else going down the wider rims route.
When I got my car last November it had original 3" wide steel wheels with inner tubes and 165/70 R14 tyres, 7 years old. There were no clearance issues with the track rod ends but, I did not realise then that 165 tyres on 3" rims only sit 145 wide! when I got these wheels balanced one was virtually unuseably oval, the technician showed me it whirling round on the machine , and the others needed a lot of weights. So new wheels were on my shopping list.
Believing that 165 tyres would cause no issues I went for the alloy 5.5" minilite lookalikes from John Brown Wheels (also sold as Minators by ESM). I knew this would require longer studs. When I fitted them the interference with the track rod end was huge which meant, on my car, even 10mm spacers may not have been enough, which in turn would require very long studs to accommodate the alloys and spacers. At this stage I decided against keeping the "minilites" returned them and ordered 4 van wheels from ESM.
When the van wheels arrived I put one of the existing 165 tyres on and, to my surprise, it fouled the track rod end. This is when I got my calipers out and found that my 165 tyre had grown from 145 wide on the 3" rim to 165 wide on the 4.5" rim.
So after all this messing I managed to source a set of 155/80 tyres which would either clear the TRE or if it fouled would only need a 5mm spacer. Today I fitted them and, thank goodness, they clear the TRE!
So a result at last and hopefully my ramblings will help someone else.
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Post by vue from the north on Oct 12, 2023 18:23:12 GMT
sounds like a bit of a nightmare, will have an investigation of my studs & spacers & report back,
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Post by canuck on Oct 14, 2023 13:35:35 GMT
Well this has been a bit of a saga and maybe some of you may think "we told you so" However, I will recount the story for anyone else going down the wider rims route. When I got my car last November it had original 3" wide steel wheels with inner tubes and 165/70 R14 tyres, 7 years old. There were no clearance issues with the track rod ends but, I did not realise then that 165 tyres on 3" rims only sit 145 wide! when I got these wheels balanced one was virtually unuseably oval, the technician showed me it whirling round on the machine , and the others needed a lot of weights. So new wheels were on my shopping list. Believing that 165 tyres would cause no issues I went for the alloy 5.5" minilite lookalikes from John Brown Wheels (also sold as Minators by ESM). I knew this would require longer studs. When I fitted them the interference with the track rod end was huge which meant, on my car, even 10mm spacers may not have been enough, which in turn would require very long studs to accommodate the alloys and spacers. At this stage I decided against keeping the "minilites" returned them and ordered 4 van wheels from ESM. When the van wheels arrived I put one of the existing 165 tyres on and, to my surprise, it fouled the track rod end. This is when I got my calipers out and found that my 165 tyre had grown from 145 wide on the 3" rim to 165 wide on the 4.5" rim. So after all this messing I managed to source a set of 155/80 tyres which would either clear the TRE or if it fouled would only need a 5mm spacer. Today I fitted them and, thank goodness, they clear the TRE! So a result at last and hopefully my ramblings will help someone else. Yes, re read my post, I told you so. I experienced the same ups and downs with this wheel dilemma, all being the quest to install a modern safe and correct size tyre. Fortunately I don't live close enough to the many options you blokes have. A simple TRE swap solved my issues. FWIW I think some 155 or even 165 size tyres have different cross section measurements and depending on air pressure behave differently while driving. Nice to read you are good to go. Bruce   |
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Post by kiwimc on Oct 15, 2023 8:29:12 GMT
I have finally got round to crawling under Ruby and measuring clearances. For 4.5J rims (ex. Minor LCV) mounted with 165/80 14 Vredesteins (as in the picture in my first reply)
Gap between tyre and tie rod end: 6 mm Gap between tyre and swivel pin seal 12 mm
As Bruce says, different manufacturers tyres even of the same nominal sizing can have subtly different dimensions. On my Minor LCV with the same 4.5J rims a set of 165/80 Bridgestone tyres were fine, another set (the 165/80 Firestones I actually preferred) acted like a bevel drive on the swivel pin seal.
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Post by cygnet61 on Oct 15, 2023 11:14:37 GMT
Well this has been a bit of a saga and maybe some of you may think "we told you so" However, I will recount the story for anyone else going down the wider rims route. When I got my car last November it had original 3" wide steel wheels with inner tubes and 165/70 R14 tyres, 7 years old. There were no clearance issues with the track rod ends but, I did not realise then that 165 tyres on 3" rims only sit 145 wide! when I got these wheels balanced one was virtually unuseably oval, the technician showed me it whirling round on the machine , and the others needed a lot of weights. So new wheels were on my shopping list. Believing that 165 tyres would cause no issues I went for the alloy 5.5" minilite lookalikes from John Brown Wheels (also sold as Minators by ESM). I knew this would require longer studs. When I fitted them the interference with the track rod end was huge which meant, on my car, even 10mm spacers may not have been enough, which in turn would require very long studs to accommodate the alloys and spacers. At this stage I decided against keeping the "minilites" returned them and ordered 4 van wheels from ESM. When the van wheels arrived I put one of the existing 165 tyres on and, to my surprise, it fouled the track rod end. This is when I got my calipers out and found that my 165 tyre had grown from 145 wide on the 3" rim to 165 wide on the 4.5" rim. So after all this messing I managed to source a set of 155/80 tyres which would either clear the TRE or if it fouled would only need a 5mm spacer. Today I fitted them and, thank goodness, they clear the TRE! So a result at last and hopefully my ramblings will help someone else. Hello John What brand of tyre did you fit please? I have 155/80 Nankangs and wonder if they will work okay on 4.5” Minor rims without fouling. Cheers Gordon |
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Post by canuck on Oct 15, 2023 13:12:58 GMT
Hello Gordon,
You may have the undesirable combination of road wheel and tyre.
The tyre I experienced tie rod end interference with was the fitting of the Nankang tyre. This tyre mounted to the ESM offering 4.5" wide steel wheel.
I am not near my car to check dims.
FWIW I am fitting other wheels and tyres now as the Nankang tyre was wearing enough, (+18K miles) for replacement and wanted to try something else. I never felt 'sure footed' with that Nankang tyre, I think the side walls a tad soft .
I am fitting a 155/80 R Toyo tyre to an early model MGB steel wheel .
B
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Post by jonnyb on Oct 15, 2023 15:11:52 GMT
I have finally got round to crawling under Ruby and measuring clearances. For 4.5J rims (ex. Minor LCV) mounted with 165/80 14 Vredesteins (as in the picture in my first reply)
Gap between tyre and tie rod end: 6 mm Gap between tyre and swivel pin seal 12 mm
As Bruce says, different manufacturers tyres even of the same nominal sizing can have subtly different dimensions. On my Minor LCV with the same 4.5J rims a set of 165/80 Bridgestone tyres were fine, another set (the 165/80 Firestones I actually preferred) acted like a bevel drive on the swivel pin seal.
That is interesting my 155/80s only clear the TRE by a couple of mm! |
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). I havn't had any issues with fouling the suspension.
so these must be available for the Riley.
